Mulder 4, 5

Using examples from the ethnographies of congregations in chapters 4 and 5, identify ways in which congregations engage social networks of members. What significance does this engagement have in terms of Latino identity construction?

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with the example of the Word of Life congregation, they contributed to the construction of latino identity by not constructing one at all, or avoiding it. This section of the chapter reminded me of the previous chapters, talking about the history of latinx congregations and how the leaders used to be white (which professor Shortell mentioned in class about the idea of missionaries doing their work here as opposed to in another country) because they were the dominant group. And that seems to be reflected in this congregation, they all see themselves as multi-cultural but the Latinxs comprise of 80-90 percent of everyone there. So obviously the leaders of the church are part of the 10 percent left over, and yet they make sure to have most, if not all, services in english. The main leader of the church, who is a white man, does not know Spanish, so with that he is implying (even if he himself does not realize it) that he considers American culture (i.e. participating in this society and speaking english) more important or better than any other culture that is part of his congregation.

I think the Word of Life congregation maintains a Latino identity through the congregants. The clergy aim to create a "multicultural" church rather than a Latino church. In my opinion, the clergy is trying to be more inclusive to other cultures. The use of English during church services, classes, and events welcomes non-Latinos to the church. Also, if the pastoral leadership feels the need to speak at the Spanish services, they are recognizing the presence of the Latinos and emphasizing that they belong to the congregation. The role of the associate pastor is important because he represents the Latino community. Therefore, the Latino identity is evident in the congregation.

The presence of multicultural identity does not prioritize the construction of a single identity, but rather multiple identities in a Latino church such as Word of Life. I do agree with you on the fact that the clergy in Word of Life church is trying to be more inclusive, thus creating more cohesion among people not just in the church, but in the community at large.

I agree with you. The Word of Life congregation was aware of the majority Latino presence but still wanted to keep majority of their services in English. They identify as "multi-cultural", but the truth of the matter is that it's Latino church and the Latino identity was only being addressed through the Latino ethnicity of the churchgoers (it wasn't actually being constructed). I feel like this church was attempting to make it inclusive to make themselves seem more attractive to non-latinos and also attempting to assimilate their Latino churchgoers into the dominant, mainstream culture.

Exactly, the majority of the church was undeniably Latino, by them identifying as multi-cultural was a way of advertising to the rest of the world that they had all these different people with different ethnic and racial backgrounds (that are not categorized under the broad latino demographic) in their church. But this church is also not attracting more white people despite the services being catered to them, so to speak, so it was definitely not helping with the construction of a Latino identity.

As evidenced from the chapter, the congregations engage social networks of members by bringing people together. Especially the charismatic characteristics of the worship services draws people together. The congregants create a collective identity, which emphasizes their Latino culture. Churches play a main role in the social and spiritual lives of Latino Protestants. If congregants are regularly attending worship services, the congregation becomes a community. The members can turn to one another for support or advise. This communal characteristic reinforces Latino identity because it encourages the use of Spanish. Sermons by pastors reflect the difficulties Latinos face in society such as immigration.

I agree with the response because congregations try to bring people together in a way that helps people see to believe and work towards a common goal. Cultures do play a big role in the lives of Latino Protestants, as well as any other beliefs. The community will strengthen if people keep attending consistently because they will get to know one another and build relationships with people of similar beliefs. It is always good to have friends of all beliefs, cultures, and different backgrounds. But you can really connect with poeple who believe in the same religion as you because you both have the same outlook.

I agree with your point of views. I really like what you say cultures do play a big role in the lives of Latino Protestants. Generally, culture is a strong part of people's lives. I believe that it is very important to work with people and building relationship with other people. It is necessary to have some perspectives and understanding of their culture. I also believe it is true that congregations try to bring people together. Everyone has opportunities to participate and join the political party.

I agree. In the book the authors describes various Latin Protestant congregations. Through these congregations these people form communities. They feel safe and protected by their congretion. The bond that forms through religious identify allows for Latino to express there various culture without feeling threatened. Religion, culture, language and the various other social constructions bring people together, it groups society. Latino forms strong communities with those who share the same religion and language.

I agree with your response towards the Latino forms strong communities because it is true they do take religion more like catholic serious as in sticking together like a family. Feeling more comfortable being around each other because they do share the same religion same culture and same language. Speaking towards my church our pastor knows everyone from the English service to the Spanish service. Recently for the ash Wednesday mass i attended the bilingual mass was my first time i usually attend the Spanish service. I found it comforting that the priest took his time and care to do a service together to make the community feel comfortable.

I agree that the Latino congregations unites Latinos together through their practices. It is a place for free spirit and to worship their culture as a whole. The congregations holds English and Spanish services, allowing diverse groups to enter. Occasionally, the pastor would speak in both languages to represent the mixed groups. Congregations form a community to hopefully enabling a better place in the world.

Worship stands as the central act of congregational life. Some have described congregations as organizations whose primary product is the worship service. Regardless of scale, it has even been noted by sociologists that if a congregation failed to produce a regular worship service, it would not continue to be considered a congregation even if it remained religiously active in other ways. It is supposed to draw people closer as a community, and should for the Latinos in this particular circumstance.

In Chapter 3, the account of Camilla's first time at Word of Life church was emotional, and she describes the encounter as such: We walk in and my friend [gym owner] told me: "There are no crosses here. There's no saints. There's no statues. This is different, but just be open" (Mulder, 49). This portion of the quote from the book puts emphasis on inclusion and cohesion within the church. At the church, the congregation was predominantly Latino. Usually Latino churches spoke Spanish, but Word of Life church put effort into not just having Spanish services but also English ones. The fact that this church identified as multicultural says that they are not prioritizing the construction of a Latino identity.

I like that you bring up the whole "No crosses. no saints. no statues" thing because it emphasizes my point that religion no longer exists primarily to be supernatural explanations for the creation of the world, but rather as a social force to unite people together and establish a sense of community. As people shift to having sociability be their foremost criteria in a religion, the churches that accommodate this need will be more likely to survive.

I came across that quote as well and am only realizing now how significant and relevant it is to the importance of the Word Of Life church.The fact that the church is an place that is "open" is extremely important to keep in mind.It is a place where all cultures are welcome and all individuals are a part of a community.

I like your response but why shouldn't Latinos feels segregation when their church has been filtered to appease the masses. There is often a language barrier so where are they to go for services if everything is being transformed into multicultural? Learning English is one of the most difficult languages to master their faith should not take a back seat because they have not adapted the language.

I don't believe people are religious in this day and age because they think Religion is the only way to answer technical questions about how the world was created. People are religious because of the sense of connection they get to feel with the earth and with each other. Since the reason is social it stands to reason that churches would be places where people would want to seek even more social connections. That is why we usually see churches as centers of gatherings, activities and events even when those events don't seem religious at the core (for example, a potluck has people from the community gathering together to spend time together and deepen their sense of community, not because it is a way to become more religious.)
Every religious community will have unique ways to develop those social relationships with each other. These things will depend on culture, location, resources and also be influenced by tradition. Latino communities are no exception to this.

I think that majority of immigrants only speak one language. However, they can't communicate with other people. In order to maintain a strong connection to the shared, it is necessary to have someone who can translate for them. Additionally, language is the most important aspect of Latino identity. On the one hand, Spanish is an important part of Latino culture and identity. People believe that it is relevant for future generations to speak Spanish. On the other hand, Spanish is a characteristic for most of the groups.

I agree with you perspective because Latinos themselves rely heavily on language use and I think they are pound of their identity and will not change it no matter what. That is why we can always see Latino communities banded together and host events that help others, which is a great benefit for them.

I agree with you Kristin, while Spanish is very important to the Latino Community, this serves as a barrier to help with communicate with those who do not speak Spanish. However, I think this can help serve as a learning opportunity as Latinos interact with others who speak a different language can attempt to learn the language. While this may be an uncomfortable situation, it can be a useful one.

The congregations engage social networks of members by bringing people together. Congregations try to bring people together in a way that helps people see to believe and work towards a common goal. More so, it is essential to work with people and building relationship with other people. The construction of congregations has contributed to Latino identities. Churches play a central role in the social and spiritual lives of Latino Protestants as described by others. Furthermore, as was also mentioned, the members can turn to one another for support or advice. This common characteristic reinforces Latino identity because it encourages the use of Spanish. Sermons by pastors reflect the difficulties Latinos face in society such as immigration.

I agree with you congregations do bring people together in a way that is beneficial to them and helps these people achieve a common goal whether it be finding there faith again or achieving a goal that can be met with the support of people. Not only do churches play a central role but also these small communities as well. These communities help create a support group in which everyone in the community knows each other very well so if one person needs help they don't have to do much to receive it

I agree with you the benefits of social cohesion among not only co-ethnic but coreligionist of a community can have many great effects to the strengths of the community and congregation.

In my opinion, I think the congregations engage social networks by giving people a choice to socialize between their communities and therefore creating a sense of belonging throughout themselves. For these congregations, it gives these Latino their identities. With this information, churches provide public service for their patrons and in return, patrons contribute with either money or labor.

The world of life congregation is a great example of a congregation(in chapters 4 and 5),that engages the social networks of its members.The consider themselves to be a "multi-cultural church",which does include latino culture as well as many others.The fact that english is used for church services and church events does serve many cultures,such as the American culture.The associate pastor represents the latino community,so we can see latinos being represented as well.All cultures are welcome to the church. The congregants create a collective identity, that does emphasize Latino culture. Their is inclusion and cohesion amongst the church members.The church feels more like a community,than an exclusive membership.

Congregations play an important role in uniting and assembling a group of people based on their religious affiliation. It gives the group a sense of unity therefore they are well able to maintain an ongoing and steady relationship within their place of worship. Congregations also play a role in helping these groups achieve a specific goal, it keeps people engaged within their communities as we can see within the examples of Latino protestants. Word of Life Congregations have helped Latino protestants know and better understand their identity as it has provided them with a sense of spirituality. It is not only responsible for constructing the identity of Latinos but however, there is more to it enhances there ability to build social relationship, cohesion and promotes solidarity within different groups.

Social networks in a congregation provide an opportunity for an organization or establishment to become more "Multi-cultural" Latinos believed that diversity was more important to their culture rather than their being predominantly one race or group of people. Diversity give equal opportunity and allows the flow of ideas and new concepts to be introduced into a society. it gives people the chance to develop in social relationships, and eliminates segregation and prejudices amongst groups.

The majority of the congregations presented in Chapter 4,5 engage in the social networkings of members by providing cohesion. One of the reasons to why the Latinos Catholics turned away from Catholicism, was due to language as a barrier. While the members of the Catholic Church may have felt connected to one another, they did not feel connected to the Catholic Church. Many of the congregations provided the Spanish language so that the Latinos could feel connected to the Protestant Church. What is interesting in Chapter 4 was that a few congregations adapted the term “Multicultural”. This was meant as a way to encompass all ethnicities, not just Latinos.

Congregations were able to engage social networks of members by providing a multicultural church noted in the text as Word of faith movement this multigenerational church. Their members not only included latinos but the second largest population was white, and etc. The significance that this engagement has in terms of latino identity construction is Latinos no longer identified with just latino but now multicultural.

Latinos and other minority groups have been segregated due to their differences and language is often the biggest wedge between communities. Latinos have gone rogue from being catholic practicing members because they feel that they cannot conduct themselves in their natural state. Congregations try to keep the members together but they are struggling because of identities clashing. The Protestants are more conservative and are able to network within their circle and not feel excluded. Their origin of the culture should not be minimized their faith should not be determined by the region, or community in which they identifiy.